276: The Trap of "We'll See" | Why Dads Need to Be Decisive

In this episode of The Fire You Carry, Nole and Kevin dive deep into a subtle but damaging trap of fatherhood and marriage: the default phrase, "we'll see."

Why is it that men can be incredibly decisive, clear, and direct on the fireground, but the moment they walk through the front door, they turn into passive politicians? The guys break down why "we'll see" isn't actually a gentle answer; it's a "soft-ass no" that breeds anxiety in our kids and leaves an unfair mental load on our wives.

Before hitting the core topic, Kevin shares an update on his daughters braving massive 8-foot ocean swells at Junior Lifeguards, and celebrates Captain Josh Nessa completely dominating a massive police and fire powerlifting competition at age 44. Plus, the guys share practical communication hacks like the firehouse 4-3-2-1 elimination method to help you stop stalling, take the lead, and let your yes be yes.

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Transcript

Nole (00:00.546)
I think it means that we're live on Riverside. So I think if we copied this link

Kevin (00:05.727)
Mm dear.

Nole (00:06.902)
And send it out, people could look at it. We should send it to the group.

Kevin (00:10.569)
dear, yeah, that sounds interesting.

Nole (00:13.902)
Let me see if I can find let me actually nah, I'm not gonna do it right now. Okay, here we go. Are you ready?

Kevin (00:19.267)
Yeah, yeah.

Kevin (00:34.243)
Welcome back to the Fire You Carry podcast. Hey, you know what? First of all, I'm I think fair life, if you're listening, these are my new favorite things.

Nole (00:45.102)
What is that, chocolate milk?

Kevin (00:46.635)
It is. It's got thirty grams of protein. It has two grams of sugar and it's supposed to be some sort of monk fruit. And it's lactose free. But these are my like afternoon hitters when I'm craving coffee or something like that. Or even after dinner when I'm like

Nole (00:54.776)
Okay. Ooh.

Nole (01:05.592)
That little bottle has thirty grams of protein? Wow.

Kevin (01:08.153)
30 G's, dude. 30 G's. And they're delicious. So Fair Life, if you're listening, sponsor us because I get these at the old Costco.

Nole (01:16.238)
Sponsor us. We'll talk about your beverage every episode.

Kevin (01:23.307)
And they're delicious. I'm just saying that right now.

Nole (01:25.474)
All we want is a couple of free pallets of milk. Chocolate milk.

Kevin (01:29.941)
Yes. Then they're great. But I do think what's the word satiating? I feel like it gives you like a that little I don't know about you, but you need a little topper offer after dinner, a little something sweet.

Nole (01:34.926)
Mm.

Nole (01:41.846)
Yeah, that's a real thing. The the craving for some straight up sweet carbs after a meal, especially after dinner, that's a real thing. I don't know. I don't know if that's just trained or if that's your brain. I don't know what that is, but it's real.

Kevin (01:49.623)
Yeah, and

Kevin (01:54.649)
So I've been trying to do my best to do these fair lives, but they kinda get expensive. A case of them is like thirty five bucks. But I don't know. Enough. Enough to get through a month, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe like eighteen to twenty or something like that. But but they're delicious. They give you that little that little pole of sugar, but you're nearly not. But then you got protein, so I think I'm doing something right for myself.

Nole (02:00.716)
Hm. How many in a case do you think? Ten? Okay, okay. So it's just a little over bucky, yeah. Okay, okay, that's not bad.

Nole (02:19.378)
Mm. Mm. I'm gonna have to see that ingredient list.

Kevin (02:24.098)
There is some science in it. Let's let's zoom in right here. That's yeah, there is some science.

Nole (02:26.956)
Yeah, yeah. Check it out if you're on the YouTubes. There's always science in beverages like that. But it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. A lot of times you'll see those big sciencey words, you know, I can't think of any methocobalman or whatever, and all that means is like, you know, vitamin B. So

Kevin (02:43.126)
Yeah, cellulose gum. I don't know what that is. Natural flavors, of course. Whatever.

Nole (02:47.502)
I think that's like paper gum. It's like gum created from paper, it sounds like cellulose. Sounds like it came from a tree. It's good for you.

Kevin (02:51.63)
Perfect. Nobody likes that cellulose. Yeah. Dude, but yesterday I got a shout out before we get into this episode, which is gonna be great. I happen to take my daughters have been in the junior Olympics or I'm sorry, the junior lifeguarding down in San Diego, which my wife is pissed about. Actually she's doing better now because we live an hour away from the beach and junior lifeguarding happens at the beach.

Nole (03:09.036)
Yes.

Nole (03:16.258)
Yeah, you're not close to there.

Kevin (03:20.31)
And so it's been every day for two weeks, kind of commuting. Yeah, Monday through Friday. And okay, let me just ask you this because there's this balance of we didn't grow up much or have too many of these opportunities. I always wanted to go to these camps and like I you know, you grew up at one. We were never able to go to those things 'cause there was a cost, there was travel, there was this. And then, you know, there's other people that went to these junior lifeguarding camps. There there was not a question. My parents were working, they were single fam you know, single

Nole (03:22.59)
Every day? wow.

Nole (03:33.24)
Yeah.

Nole (03:39.074)
Right.

Kevin (03:49.059)
parent type situations, there was no chance we were going to these things. So I feel like a very big pull to give the kids opportunities that I didn't have. But sometimes it's not that great. But this one is very cool because I love the beach personally. I love going to the beach. I love going in the water and surfing and doing these activities. And this has been selfishly great because they're but I do see that they're gaining unbelievable confidence. This last two weeks, if you guys haven't known, has been

Nole (04:14.006)
Mm.

Kevin (04:17.758)
Some of the largest swell in California. It's been like six to eight feet, which is massive for us. Nothing. And it's been gnarly. And so the first day, even the lifeguards were like, we don't know if this is gonna go down. And they did it. And they like braved through the girls didn't brave through the biggest surfs that they've been through and had to do some rescue situations and run through these big waters and get through rip tides and all this stuff. And I just watch them like by the end, like tomorrow is their last day. So it's the end of the two weeks.

Nole (04:23.629)
Yeah.

Nole (04:38.808)
Yeah.

Kevin (04:47.128)
They're like, whatever, if it's eight feet, it's eight feet. Like, let's go. You know, like they they and it's such a cool thing to watch their confidence rise huge and then know that they can swim super far out to a buoy where almost a dolphin touched them and like all this crazy, these cool stories over and over again. And and more than anything, I love that they're exhausted after it.

Nole (04:49.591)
Going in.

Nole (05:02.38)
Yeah.

Nole (05:09.934)
swimming is exhausting. let me understand though. So this is a it's a two week camp and they're teaching to be lifeguards. It's like a lifeguard training thing.

Kevin (05:19.672)
Junior lifeguards. So it's it's like think of a cadet program or something like that. So they have yeah, they have the actual lifeguards. There's probably fifty or a hundred kids out there. And it's age group based. So my older daughter who's thirteen is doing more advanced things where they're like actually rescuing people from the water or simulating that. The younger kids are just, you know, frolicking. But there's like f I think nine year olds out there

Nole (05:23.402)
Okay, okay. So it's kinda like preparing the way.

Nole (05:29.869)
wow.

Nole (05:35.331)
Yeah.

Kevin (05:45.156)
I think you gotta be nine, but it's pretty cool because you do have to test to get in. So you had to do a swim test to get in. And then man, they run like two miles on the beach every day. They're there's doing these run swim run things. So it's a phenomenal program. I think wherever you go, it sounds like they really put it on these kids and they are like starving and pass out tired at the end of it, which is awesome.

Nole (05:49.238)
Nole (06:08.408)
That's rad. That sounds amazing. I mean, that's a big commitment for the drive for sure. That's the kind of thing though that after the fact, later, that's the part you don't remember. You know, time on the road is rough for sure. But the memories and the lessons and stuff, that's what carries through. It's it's not like a year from now you're gonna think back to that and go, man, that was so much driving. You won't even think about that part of it. But I but I get it. In the moment, that's a big commitment. That's a

Kevin (06:13.336)
It is.

Kevin (06:26.755)
I hope so.

Kevin (06:32.685)
No, but mm

Kevin (06:36.823)
Yeah, Mama's like, We're not doing this next year. But it was very cool because it happened to coincide with the police fire championships, which is in San Diego, where if you guys don't know these championships or the firemen's Olympics or whatever, you have a bunch of first responders competing in, you know, every event that you could possibly think of from archery to flag football to weightlifting. And our very own program guy and my captain and great buddy, Josh Nessa.

Nole (06:36.888)
That's a lot of trips up and down the fifteen. Yeah.

Nole (06:48.727)
Yes.

Kevin (07:06.303)
on a whim said, Hey, I've been lifting heavy lately. I should go try this push pull. So it's a deadlift and and bench press competition for a total. And so it's not like I don't know why they don't do the squat, but I could probably see because of the time it would take to get all the guys through it. but I you know I did the power lifting thing. We were in the strongman stuff and I've always been super excited by that. So he just

Nole (07:08.046)
God. man.

Nole (07:18.424)
Total for both. Okay. Okay.

Nole (07:26.051)
Yeah.

Kevin (07:34.488)
I think he might be trained for a month, maybe push some heavier weight than normal. But he showed up and it's a full legit competition. You have to be in a singlet, there's rules, there's a pause at the bottom of the bench press. And he crushed it. I was getting so pumped up. And I know so the one powerlifting competition I did was in a gym in a powerlifting gym. And it was deafening. There was nothing but hardcore music playing.

Nole (07:36.899)
Hm.

Nole (07:43.201)
Yeah.

Mm.

Nole (07:59.993)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin (08:03.329)
Everybody's in a singlet, everybody's super big. I wouldn't say fat, but they're huge. Tatted up, it's deafening loud. You're sniffing ammonia salts. People are slapping each other on the back. And it's my wife was like, This is the least attractive sport that you've ever participated in and it's really annoying and we might leave, you know? Which I was like, Leave 'cause we're lifting heavy stuff, you know?

Nole (08:06.976)
Yeah. No, powerlifters are big dudes. Yeah, I get it. Yeah.

Kevin (08:31.193)
But this one was in like a hotel lobby with n no music. And it was like, dude, how are these guys getting gassed up for this, you know? Anyways, my guy came out, he's forty four years old and just crushed it. I think he had near close to a in a close to four hundred pound dead bench press and close to a six hundred pound deadlift takes the win. And it was just very, very cool to watch.

Nole (08:35.052)
I saw the video. Yeah.

Nole (08:40.941)
Yeah.

Nole (08:52.681)
Nole (08:58.926)
That's so impressive.

Kevin (09:00.077)
somebody just walk in without ever competing in this where most of these people I'm I promise you, all the guys have been doing powerlifting for probably ten years.

Nole (09:09.804)
Yeah, and that's what they do. And there's a whole science behind that. I mean, 'cause how many lifts do you get to warm up to your total?

Kevin (09:16.183)
Well, the you get a warm-up before you go out. So there's probably like a thirty minute warm up behind like backstage. You get one lift. And there's three judges, so one in the back and two on the side, and they give you a white light. So two two white lights, two out of three white lights is a good lift. But it's so much harder than you think because when you a normal bench press bro, it's just like pr you're doing this, you have to like there's commands and they're like lift down.

Nole (09:19.766)
Okay. Okay. So you get one lift. my gosh.

Nole (09:33.87)
Hm.

Nole (09:38.87)
Yeah, yeah. You punch it up.

Kevin (09:43.618)
And then you have to hold for a long time and then the press and then rack. And so it's like a whole thing. anyways, I'm super proud of my guy. He just shows up and I've he's probably one of the more impressive human beings. A lot of them did not look like I mean he could run circles around them, you know, so it's not his main thing, which is always very impressive to me, is that not only can he lift just astronomical weight,

Nole (09:47.82)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nole (10:05.654)
Right. Right.

Kevin (10:12.336)
but he could also outrun any of us and did the four by four by forty eight with us.

Nole (10:15.99)
I was gonna say this is the this is the guy. Great job, Cap. Proud of ya. Proud to know ya. Don't come around too much more often to the program 'cause you make me feel bad about myself, but you're always welcome to come back.

Kevin (10:20.143)
Strong work.

Kevin (10:26.029)
Yeah. Absolute stud. But what it was I think the cooler thing is his family is there, my family is there. And watching like the seeds planted with his son, who he had a challenge to say it like to get ten pull-ups by the end of the summer, his kid already did it. And then my daughter was like, Hey, that looks pretty fun. Could we lift in the garage? And it's this it's another connection point where it's just like why would we do these things at our age? It's not just this self fulfilling thing.

Nole (10:35.566)
Mm.

Nole (10:40.526)
Nole (10:46.381)
Nice.

Kevin (10:54.243)
But he gave all the glory to God and and said, Hey, this is, you know, and I this is for my family to show the kids what we can do. And it was just a very cool moment, man. And it was cool for the kids to ask like those questions. And I just I love things like that. And I've always said like putting an event on the calendar, it's not just for yourself glory. There's so many little ripple effects I think that happen from those things. Yeah.

Nole (11:01.378)
That's so cool.

That's cool.

Nole (11:11.63)
Mm-hmm.

Nole (11:16.524)
Yeah. Yeah, that's rad. Do you remember the time that we went down and competed in the the Fireman Olympics in the CrossFit competition and got totally destroyed? You remember that? We got destroyed. What? Captain Ness's brother was there?

Kevin (11:24.011)
Yes. Yes. We didn't get we got whooped by his brother.

Yeah. Yeah, who was a top ten cross for front at the time. We didn't know them at the time, but J C Nessa was I think works for Newport Beach or one of the O. C. and he was on the team that destroyed us. So

Nole (11:38.712)
Of course.

Nole (11:46.038)
Yeah, we got wrecked. I told Indigo, man, probably six months ago, and I don't remember where we heard this, but the 10 pull-up challenge for a hundred bucks for your kids. Who did we hear that from?

Kevin (11:54.956)
Yes. That was our that was Nessa's thing that I adopted with my own daughter. Yeah.

Nole (11:59.789)
Okay. So it was Nessa. Okay. Thanks, Cap. Again. You should come on the podcast, by the way, if you're listening to this. So I have told Indy that when he can do ten clean pull ups, he can have a hundred dollars. And he's eleven years old. And he's been working on it, but he works on it off and on. And I'm I'm being totally hands off of this thing because I know that if I got on him and kind of forced him through it, I could get him there. But I want it to be his own thing.

Kevin (12:18.767)
Hmm.

Kevin (12:29.315)
Right.

Nole (12:29.664)
So he goes through these phases where you'll see me on the pull bar and then he'll suddenly he'll be like, I want to do it again. And he'll crank out maybe four or five. He's like he could work on it for a couple of weeks and he would get there. But but he keeps doing it and then he he'll he has a a stool he puts down below the bar because he can't jump and reach the bar that I use. So he'll get his like four or five and then he'll kind of put his feet down and and he'll get the, you know, he'll kind of jump and get the last one. So he's like, I did it.

Kevin (12:39.343)
That's pretty solid. Yeah.

Kevin (12:48.845)
Yeah, you gotta have a stool, yeah.

Nole (12:58.058)
I said, No, I told you the standard. You know the rules. And he was just he just keeps saying, I'm never gonna get it. I'm never gonna get it. And I keep telling him, You won't unless you train and practice and work consistently. And I I keep reiterating, here's how you do it, here's what you want to do. And it's gonna be great when he gets it because it's gonna be his thing. He's gonna have to make the decision that he's gonna really work at it. And that's not just gonna be a a here and there thing. And you know, he's at the age where he's so busy and running around, he's not too concerned about it, but it keeps coming up.

So when he gets it, it's gonna be really fun.

Kevin (13:29.709)
That's cool. Yeah, just a suggestion, but you may want to give a little benchmark. So I gave ten dollars for t for one, twenty for two, thirty for three. So when she got three, and she got thirty bucks. Now Josh, I think boys, they're already there, right? So maybe it's five bucks or something. I don't know, whatever. But when they see like fruit from their labor, I there's like a motivation thing, like 'cause she went parading around where she's like she knows there's something tangible.

Nole (13:34.998)
Mm.

and you work up to the hundred.

Nole (13:45.622)
Yeah. Right, right, right.

Mm, that's a good idea. Yeah.

Nole (13:57.919)
Mm, that's a good idea. That might be the cake he needs. Hmm. Mm-hmm Yeah, it's good stuff.

Kevin (14:02.347)
Yeah, but super fun. Okay, so leaving the competition, my wife knows me well. I'm on ten, dude. I'm like looking at numbers and I already looked at my starting strength calculator again that I was looking at. And it's just one of those things. And she's like, Are you gonna sign up for another powerlifting comp? And I said, We'll see. We'll see. But I know in my heart.

Nole (14:23.202)
Ha ha ha

Nole (14:29.07)
Do they are there weight classes in that type of lifting? Age too. yeah, I guess that makes sense.

Kevin (14:31.211)
Yeah, they do age and weight class based. And then there's an open. There's an open. So I I came r back down to earth real quick and know because of the significant injuries and atrophy and weakness on my left side that it's not possible. But I did say like I would like maybe do a linear progression in the garage. But it was kind of funny because we had talked about the will see answer, which she just rolled her eyes at.

Nole (14:44.204)
Hm.

Hm. Yeah.

Nole (15:00.025)
the Woolsea.

Kevin (15:02.199)
And I was like I had to come back to her and said, No, this is a no, I can't do this, I gotta be smart. but we'll see is a thing.

Nole (15:11.638)
It is a thing. I was doing some research, listening to somebody else's podcast, and this this thing came up, and it was an immediate just punch in my face of something that I've been doing horribly wrong with Indy, specifically with with our youngest son. And just this idea came out and kind of just struck me. And it's this idea that at work as men, as firemen, we're

We're decisive. When there's something that needs to be done, we're gonna either just do it and execute, or when someone asks us, What do we need to do? or how is this new, we just answer. There's no, well, maybe if you do it that it's you're gonna do it this way, or we're gonna go do this. It's very definitive. And yet when I walk through my front door and Indy comes to me with a question, like, Can we go to the park today? Then I suddenly become like a pol I become a politician.

And all this all the decisiveness goes out the door. And I tell Indy, we'll see. And just like you just highlighted, we'll see is a terrible answer, especially for a kid. And I was, I've been doing this consistently, and I've watched what happens, how he responds, and I just wasn't picking up on it. For some reason, either I was never taught that this was a bad way to communicate to your kid, or I have forgotten. Probably more likely I forgot. But

Kevin (16:07.927)
Mm.

Nole (16:33.964)
Yeah, l let's talk about that. What happens to a kid, especially and then we'll get to the wives after this, I think. But what happens to Indy at eleven when I tell him we'll see about the park? What does he think?

Kevin (16:44.793)
Well, I first want to go in. I think it there's some there's some natural thing about when you turn the hat backwards and you walk in the door, you we literally drop the armor and drop the costume. And sometimes it's nice just to turn your brain off. And I I think there is a little bit of that hyper awareness when you're at work where you ha you have to make decisions quickly and you have to you you're always being very decisive. And when somebody says do this, you say, Sir, yes, sir, and you go do it.

Nole (16:53.037)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin (17:12.685)
And it's nice to basically turn your brain off and not have to do that at home. So I think there's a natural thing for that. But at the same time, I think you're the leader of the household, right? And like I think y you know, we have to go in. I've learned by default, not because we have talked about this or listened to a podcast, but I I noticed that I have women in the house, the girls. It's not it's not sufficient answer for them. I have used we'll see, but she just goes, When

Nole (17:39.437)
Yeah.

Kevin (17:42.586)
How? Why? What? What time? When the but and it never ends. And then I get irritated and I'm like, stop. So I have to like very specifically say, This is what I got going on. Everybody, what we got going on. This is what I gotta do. If it doesn't get done or whatever. And I have to like give them the schedule or the calendar of what needs to get done for that to happen. Or else it'll never stop, you know.

Nole (17:43.575)
Right, right.

Nole (17:59.129)
Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's really interesting to me because I feel like subconsciously when I tell Indy we'll see about whatever it is, the park, he wants to go shoot his BB gun in the woods, whatever it is. I'm trying to I'm really most often I'm trying to nicely say either no or not right now, but I'm trying to do it in a gentle way, right? So I don't hurt him. But the reality is is what that breeds for him is anxiety. He hears it as a a maybe or a yes later. And so he

then goes into the mode of he's gonna continue asking because he's got this open ended, he doesn't know what to do with that. And so it just creates this environment for him where he doesn't know what's going on. And for him, his whole world revolves around wrestling at night or going to the park or, you know, whatever it is that he's thinking about doing that day. For me, like you, I've got a checklist. I've got the other things, the stuff that has to be done. I have to disassemble the dryer and fix it because

Kevin (18:53.903)
For sure.

Nole (19:06.976)
Lo and behold, for some reason there's always beads in the dryer, and they get in between the drum and the body of the dryer and they make a horrendous noise. So I gotta disassemble it for the fifth time because of beads. I don't know I don't know why you have who has beads in their pocket. Anyway, I get distracted. But it's interesting to me because just the realization that

Kevin (19:24.131)
I'm gonna blame the female folks on that one. The the women types.

Nole (19:36.717)
Saying we'll see about something instead of no, that no is actually a better answer for him. Or like you're talking about, no, not right now, but after we disassemble the dryer and rebuild it, if there's still sun outside or, you know, whatever, then yes, we'll go, like that type of thing, where there's a there's a target, there's there's a clear, like we have to do these things first.

But I've been stuck in that. I've been doing that a lot to the poor kid, is just telling him no or maybe and it's just too open ended.

Kevin (20:04.441)
Yeah.

Kevin (20:08.387)
Well you know, I think I think it's great that you bring this up because number one, it sets them up for disappointment and they're gonna be they're gonna be disappointed in you because you gave them kind of an out, like or hope that they were gonna go do the park or do whatever. Right. And so when we say we see, that's basically a soft ass no, right? It's like a really soft way of saying no. Right.

Nole (20:16.631)
Right.

Nole (20:24.534)
Right. And then I'm gonna end up saying no. I mean it's like, we ran out of time.

Nole (20:31.362)
Yeah, right. Yeah. But there's still some hope throughout the day that maybe dad'll come through this time.

Kevin (20:37.677)
And then we're killing their their whole vibe by s by saying we'll see but yeah, I felt like with with my girls, I have to absolutely say no or yes. And then, you know, you have to like w you have to be a man of your word. If I know anything about my children, they will hold you to the yes till their deathbed, right? If I said we can go get ice cream three weeks from now on Thursday the twenty eighth, they're gonna say they'll remember that, like

Nole (20:55.662)
yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Nole (21:06.488)
Yeah, yeah.

Kevin (21:07.235)
And everyone said, You said on Thursday that yeah, so we have to go get that ice cream. So I feel like in a good way it force we have to I think we have to force ourselves to be decisive and say yes or no. And then if it is a yes, maybe with a caveat, yes, we can do that, but it'll be after this or after, you know.

Nole (21:25.868)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. But it but man, when you have that when you have that ability or you s or you do say yes, what a great challenge to us as dads or husbands. Like now I really have to follow through because while going to the park for the tenth time this week isn't that big of a deal to me, the lesson that it teaches Indy about me and being a man and how we communicate, if I tell him yes and then I don't take him.

Kevin (21:39.255)
Yes.

Nole (21:55.427)
Like that could be that's devastating. Like I can't trust my dad. And as men, we can just say, Yeah, we'll do that, and then just not do it. Like it's a terrible lesson. But it's a cool call to action. And I've had I have had the the I've had I can't talk today. I've had that experience where beginning of the day, he says, Dad, can we fight tonight? And so before he goes to bed, he likes to fight. And I I have been trying my best to

Kevin (21:57.592)
Yeah, you're a loser, but yeah.

Kevin (22:19.359)
Yes.

Nole (22:25.41)
It's weird. And that in that sense, I've been trying to give him a yes because I know that by the time I get to the end of the day, I'm tired. I want to sit down and watch Netflix with Heather or Reed or whatever. And so it's hard for me to say yes at the end of the day. So if I say yes at the beginning of the day, now now I'm I'm I'm contractually obligated, right? I gotta do it. So I try to tell him yes early. But then it and it does give me that extra impetus when it is time and it's like, man, I should do something else. But but

Kevin (22:41.611)
You're committed, yeah. That's

Kevin (22:52.929)
And the hard thing is, it's like you know with your older boy North, when was the last time he invited you to fight at the end of the day, you know? He's not gonna he's not gonna do that. No, he is. But there's this weird thing that you don't like I was thinking about this the other day. I can still roughhouse and tickle my youngest daughter who's about to be in the sixth grade. She doesn't like it. But my older daughter, like there was some line that we crossed.

Nole (23:01.516)
He doesn't want to fight me anymore. I don't wanna to be fair, I don't wanna fight him. He's gigantic.

Kevin (23:21.475)
And I don't know when it was, it was a couple of years ago, then that is no longer enjoyable for her in the least bit. And she wants nothing to do with it. And I feel like for about eight years, that's what I did. I came home, we rough housed, I throw them over the couch, ridicule him, you know I mean? And I just there was a day where I didn't realize that that was the last day that we rough house, you know what mean? That is, right?

Nole (23:23.736)
Mm-hmm.

Nole (23:27.682)
Yeah. Yeah.

Nole (23:37.24)
Yeah, yeah.

Nole (23:41.731)
Right. Dude. That's the most devastating thing. I read that somewhere once, I can't remember where, but it said it said something along the lines of at some point we went outside in the neighborhood to play with all of our friends, and none of us realized that it was the last time that we would do that. And it's the same th you're totally right. It's the same thing with the kids. So yes, that is golden. That's part of the reason why I say yes in the morning.

Kevin (24:01.559)
Last time.

Nole (24:10.498)
when he asks me is 'cause I know that's a fleeting thing. And dude, to be to be honest with you, part of what we do, I've talked about on the podcast before, but part of what I've done in the past is I physically pick him up and throw him in the air and he lands on the he lands on the bed. It's a great time. He's getting so big that it's like physically arduous for me to pick him up and throw him.

Kevin (24:23.107)
You have to. Yeah, you have to.

Yeah. You're like I'm gonna have to shower after this, yeah.

Nole (24:34.924)
We literally will put on we'll put on some of his tunes. He loves like Mr. Blue Sky. he loves oldies like that. We'll put on some tunes. I'll start a timer because I gotta put a limit on it because I get exhausted. And it's funny because we'll be we'll be mid fighting and wrestling and I'm throwing him and slamming him on the bed. And he can tell like I'm breathing hard, like I'm getting tired. And he goes, Dad, take a break. And I'm like, There's no breaks. We gotta go through the whole timer, like whatever, whatever it is we set it for.

Kevin (24:40.366)
No.

Kevin (24:56.494)
Yeah.

Nole (25:03.318)
And he's but he's like he's like, no, take a rest. You're you're tired. I'm like, I'm gonna get through this. I'm but he's getting big, dude. He's getting heavy. It's getting close. I guess gotta get him into into the jits so that transfer that somewhere else. Cause the bed isn't gonna be able to handle too much of that.

Kevin (25:08.591)
That's hilarious.

Kevin (25:13.579)
Yeah, yeah, get some outlets for for sure. Well the flip side is that is in d do you ever see the movie Yes Day? Where the kids get to the parents can there's a movie called Yes Day. Be careful watching it with your children. Because the apparently they they make this agreement, I guess the the parents say no or or we'll see maybe. They'll say it all the time.

Nole (25:23.882)
I don't think so.

Nole (25:37.294)
Yeah, yeah.

Kevin (25:38.616)
And they had so I forget the context of it, but the the parents have but s basically say yes to anything. Can we go to Disneyland? Yes. And it's a yes day. Can we get an ice cream? Yes. And of course, just chaos and hilarity ensues because they say yeah, they have to say yes for like for everything and just it gets nutty. But there was a time after that where we kind of did a like an eighty percent yesterday and it was pretty fun. Right? And so

Nole (25:44.482)
Mm.

Okay. Yeah.

Nole (25:52.92)
Course.

Yeah. Yeah.

Nole (26:04.908)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Reasonable.

Kevin (26:08.449)
I do feel guilt for being gone all the time at work. And so I there was a time where I was like, Yeah, like whatever I need to do, whether it's the dryer or the whatever, I would just say, Yeah, that's not important. What's important is saying yes to going to the park right now. And there was somebody online, I forget who the therapist was, who's like, Imagine if every time your child, your young child came up to you, you just said yes to whatever they want to do. Do you want a color? Yes.

Nole (26:11.17)
Yeah.

Kevin (26:37.017)
Do you want to play checkers? Yes. Do you want to, you know what I mean? And like what that it and she had this breakdown about how important that was to just say yes to those things and say they're the most important thing in the room. And your time is like their time is just as valuable or more valuable than anything else. And so there it's that it's such a hard balance because I've gotten into trouble because hey, things are breaking, the wife's pissed off that I never fixed the dryer.

Nole (26:45.198)
Mm.

Nole (26:50.284)
Mm.

Nole (27:05.771)
Ha.

Kevin (27:05.943)
Whatever it is, because I just said yes and I put a lot of focus on the kids.

Nole (27:10.008)
Right, right.

Kevin (27:11.917)
So there's never a a right balance, but I d I usually try to check in with the r the person who runs the household, which is Harmony, and say if there's like a major thing that said, Hey, we've been waiting for four days for you to come home to I need this thing done, then I have to like make that a priority. And then I can kind of go ballistic with the kids.

Nole (27:14.754)
Yeah.

Nole (27:20.18)
Mm-hmm. Fair.

Nole (27:32.962)
Yeah, yeah.

Nole (27:37.133)
Yeah. That's interesting too, what you just brought up because the way you communicate to them is important as well. That that difference in saying yes or in saying yes, I want to do that with you. Like those are two those are two different answers. Not I'm just gonna do this to appease you, but actually I know I wanna do that with you. I want to get down on the ground and build Legos or, you know, whatever it is. That's interesting. Cause that that changes the way it's perceived by them. That dad's not just, you know.

Kevin (27:50.552)
Ryan.

Nole (28:05.742)
putting up with this and and doing this as a chore, but it's like he values that time with me.

Kevin (28:10.221)
Yeah. There's just this this last couple of weeks, the World Cup has been on. And many of you know I played soccer. I'm a I'm a soccer fan. The US is doing great. It's in the United States. And so you know, I I've been finding myself watching these World Cup games. And the other day, like Haley was like, Hey, do you wanna play lacrosse? And I was like, Hold on, there's fifteen minutes left, you know what I mean? And then I realized I think it I'm like, This is Ghana versus, you know

Nole (28:34.21)
Yeah, yeah.

Kevin (28:38.741)
Switzerland, you know what I mean? It's not the game, like the only games I really care about are the US games. And so I was like, Yeah. Well, like I I did catch myself and I was like, Yeah, grab a sticks, you know what mean? And like we went out and played lacrosse, you know what I mean? But I I have to catch myself on those things. Like I probably just wanted I didn't want to get sweaty and go outside and play lacrosse. But it was absolutely what I probably should have done as a dad.

Nole (28:38.766)
Ha ha ha.

Nole (28:48.589)
Mm.

Nole (29:00.706)
Yeah.

Nole (29:04.312)
Sure, sure. All right, let's talk real briefly, hopefully, about something that's a little bit more difficult. And I'm gonna try to talk about this without getting myself in trouble. So

Kevin (29:12.195)
Mm-hmm.

Nole (29:15.116)
I've been I have been experimenting with this a little bit for a long time because there is this aspect of our line of work where we're gone all the time, like you just highlighted, and we come back and, you know, Heather runs the house. So there's that reintegration and all that stuff. But there's a there is a real thing where there are times when my wife wants me to lead the house or dictate the day. And a lot of times I will default, I would say most of the time, I will default to

You know, she'll ask me, What do you need to do today or what do you want to do today? And I'll go, Well, I don't know, what do you want to do today? The classic one is, what should we eat today? Or where if we're in town, where should we eat today? And that then it's always, I don't really care. Where do you want to eat? And then that goes nowhere. Everyone who's listening to this who has a wife or a girlfriend or even a buddy knows that that's the worst thing in the world. But here's the thing.

Kevin (29:54.039)
Mm.

Nole (30:13.302)
I've found that a lot of times when I do when I am aware of this and she'll ask, say, what should we eat today? And then I'll decisively have an answer. I have found a lot of times that what that does is that then triggers them to have the freedom to then say what they actually what they actually wanted. So the conversation sometimes goes like this.

What do you want to eat today? And I'll go, Yeah, I'm I'm pretty ch I'm pretty good, you know, whatever, whatever. Do you have any thoughts? And she'll say, No, I don't really care. And I'll go, Okay. We're going down the hill to get some stuff at Costco, so let's eat it in and out. And then, well, I don't really want in and out. I wanted, I was kind of thinking about Chipotle. And rather than go, I just asked you that. What why didn't you bring up Chipotle at the start? You got to kind of slow down and go, okay.

Kevin (30:51.448)
No.

Nole (31:08.216)
Chipotle sounds pretty good. But I have a hard time with that sometimes because as you know, as a man, I'm like, well, I'm trying to be decisive. I'm trying to lead. And then as soon as I say something, then it's like, well, let's go this direction. And I know that she's not doing it because she's just trying to undermine me. I I really think it's because, yeah, and I think there's a part of it, and again, I could be way wrong because I'm a man. I don't understand the way my wife's brain works, probably most of the time. But I really feel like part of that is that.

Kevin (31:24.719)
Just the women folk.

Nole (31:36.803)
By me stating definitively, and this is obviously a silly example, there's more important examples of this, but this is the easy low-hanging fruit. But when I state definitively, we're gonna go do this, that almost gives her the freedom to then state what she wants. There and there's no there's not as much concern there after that of, you know, you're trying to put the other person first and all that. And then we can really have a discussion about it. And I don't know. Have you navigated this?

Kevin (31:49.357)
Yes. Yes.

Kevin (32:03.521)
Yeah, there's this that hilarious video. I don't know who did it, but he found the hack for this where he talked to his wife and he was like, Guess where we're gonna go to dinner tonight? And she's like, sushi? And he's like, Yep, that's it, you know? it's a trap. So I thought that was hilarious. I've full disclosure, have tried that on my wife and it works gloriously. Every time.

Nole (32:20.908)
It's a trap.

Nole (32:29.845)
It worked? I've never tried it.

Kevin (32:33.209)
And I was like I was like, hey, you know, you had a busy day. I don't want you to cook. Let's just go out and grab something. Guess where I was thinking about? And she'd be like, Chipotle? Yes. That's exactly we're s are we soulmates? It it works unbelievably. Now, since it's public on the podcast, I don't know if it'll work anymore.

Nole (32:47.288)
How did you know?

Nole (32:58.476)
Yeah, busted.

Kevin (32:59.897)
But that is a funny thing. That's a funny thing. I don't think you're alone in this. I think this has been age old battle for millennia. But I

Nole (33:08.364)
I think with things like that though, you're right back to where it was with the kids that when you give a vague, just vacuous answer, it creates kind of this this mental load on the other person, whether that's the kid or your wife, where you took that burden of responsibility and just kind of gave it away, but you didn't really even fully give it away. You kind of still maintain some of it because you might come around with an answer. Like it's too

Kevin (33:25.903)
Mm-hmm.

Nole (33:35.255)
It's too vague. Like there needs to be some level of decisiveness. And of course, I'm not saying that you you know, I'm gonna start living my life like, listen, woman, we're going in and out, and I don't care what you say. Obviously, it's a relationship, there's a partnership, we're you know, we're gonna discuss it. And of course, again, I'm talking about bigger issues than meals, but but yeah, I think that's a big part of it. I think that the the unclarity, I don't think that's actually a word.

Kevin (34:02.062)
Yes.

Nole (34:03.434)
of it is the problem, right? And that creates anxiety because then we're now in this competition of I care more about you and what you think. So you tell me what you want to do. And then the other person has to be like, No, no, I care more about what you think. What do you want to do? And that goes nowhere.

Kevin (34:18.765)
Yeah, no. It goes nowhere. I think choices have been really helpful. No, I learned this from my mom. Three two yeah, so like with children, my mom was a child development person. She had degrees in this. And she always said, like if you want them to wear the sweatshirt, you can't just say, Grab your sweatshirt, they'll leave. No, I don't want a sweatshirt. No, I don't you know. You just say, Do you want the blue one or the black one? And they're like, I'll take the black one.

Nole (34:23.702)
Hm. have you ever done the the the three, the elimination?

Nole (34:41.986)
Yeah. Yep.

yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin (34:48.321)
All right, cool. Now we have a sweatshirt. And so choices always work out for children. I always have to give them the choices. Do you want to brush your teeth now or you want to brush it in 10 minutes? brush it in 10 minutes. All right, cool. And then I'll put I'll say, Alexa, start a timer for 10 minutes. And then when the thing goes off, do we gotta go brush our teeth? You know? Choices are huge, but I do think this is also helpful for the women folks. Because we have done, you know, at the station there was a crew that used to do four, three, two, one.

Nole (34:53.23)
That's good. That's good.

Nole (35:07.608)
I like that. I like that.

Nole (35:13.409)
Yeah.

Nole (35:18.296)
Yep. Yep.

Kevin (35:18.927)
There was four people on the rig, and the first person had to say four places. So McDonald's, Taco Bell, In N Out, Carls Jr. The the third the second guy eliminates one, says McDonald's is out. The third guy eliminates the other one and then comes down to one. And so sometimes my we'll have to do that with the choices with the wife saying, What do you want? I don't know. What do you want? What do you want? I'm like, how about Chipotle or In N Out? And she

Nole (35:23.458)
Four places.

Kevin (35:48.921)
thrives on the choice to be like, you know what? I already I don't want in and out. let's Chipotle. I can get a salad. Perfect.

Nole (35:54.905)
That is helpful. That is helpful. I have done that. And I did learn it at fifteens with you. I don't know who started that, but it's a solid method.

Kevin (36:00.229)
Yeah.

Kevin (36:05.539)
But there's sometimes that I have to be like I'm better at the when we're out and about and navigating Google Maps and looking at Google its soot and like looking at reviews or whatever. So there have been times where I'm out and about where I I'll give her credit, she'll just trust me on this where we're we're down in Solana Beach or something and I'm like, We're all hungry, we didn't really plan for anything and I'll look up a couple of places and I'm like, Hey, this looks good, let's go on an adventure. You know what I mean?

Nole (36:25.048)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Nole (36:33.272)
Hm.

Kevin (36:34.583)
And then would just go ahead and try something and she'll default to saying, you know, he wants to try this adventure, you know.

Nole (36:40.098)
Yeah. And even that is so interesting because there's two different ways that you could approach that. You could you could do what I've done before and pull up the Yelp and figure it out and be this place looks good and then and then show it to the group in the car, whether that's your kids and your wife or just your wife or whatever, and go, What do think about this place? Versus right, which can lead into just more investigation and more looking and you never find one. Or you do exactly what you just did. Hey, this place looks good.

Let's have an adventure and try something new. And then yeah, okay, that sounds great. We're on board. That and it's just that subtle difference in how you approach it. I think I don't

It's interesting because I would consider myself along with you, like we're we're communicators. We communicate all day long at work. We communicate here on the podcast. We communicate at the program. Obviously, any human is that it's out there as a communicator, but I feel like we do a lot of it. And then I feel like there are a lot of times with my family, with my wife, those relationships that matter the most, where sometimes I phone it in. And I think a lot of that is back to what you said at the beginning of the episode where

Kevin (37:43.927)
Mm.

Nole (37:46.627)
We do come home from work and it's like this mentality that okay, well now I'm in shutdown mode. This is a break. I deserve this, that whole thing that we've talked about before. And yeah, we gotta fight against that. We gotta put our dad hats on, our husband hats on and go, Okay, I'm I'm in a different role now, but this is this role is far more important than the other role that I execute at work or wherever on a regular basis.

Kevin (38:10.075)
It is a thing and I I realize too that she needs a break too because her world is pretty intense even though she's a homemaker but with the kids is all on all the time. And that I have to take give her a brain break and I call her being the passion to princess. You know, you can sit shotgun and just mm scroll Facebook or Etsy or whatever the heck you're on. You know what I mean? And she has no idea what freeway we're on or where we're at or whatever and like just

Nole (38:13.806)
Mm.

Nole (38:19.374)
Yeah, there's a lot going on.

Nole (38:32.854)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin (38:38.445)
And those are the usually the times that I'll just make those decisions. Hey, I'll drive, I'll pick the lunch spot wherever we're going, we'll just do this. And I think, you know, I don't know if she likes to admit it, but I think she likes herself having a brain break. You know what I mean? On those days. But it it is funny. I do like themes too though, like tonight is Mexico versus Korea in the World Cup. So I found

Nole (38:53.314)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Nole (38:59.64)
Mm-hmm.

Nole (39:04.558)
Tonight to night to night.

Kevin (39:07.137)
And my wife drove to the beach and back today and she's had a long day and we had some stuff going on in the house, repairs done. And so I'm like, it's not a great day for cooking. So I was like, I found a Korean taco place, which is Mexico and Korea, right? It's so sometimes there's themes out there. So I'm like, that'll take the decision making out of it when it's like theme night, you know, or or or if it's Christopher Columbus Day or something like we're getting Italian food, you know?

Nole (39:10.358)
Nole (39:14.806)
Yeah, you did. Mm.

that's mm yeah, the theme. I like that. I like that.

Nole (39:31.232)
I like that. I like that.

Nole (39:36.447)
I was about to ask because I did not immediately know where you were gonna go with that. But of course that makes sense. I for a second I was like, what do you eat on Christopher Columbus Day? But there you go, it makes sense. Which doesn't exist anymore, by the way. It's Indigenous People's Day. So we're going down to the Elotes stand. How do you say that? What's that word? Yeah, whatever, the corn. Yeah, yeah, with the mayonnaise.

Kevin (39:44.143)
Right.

Alright, so we're getting some corn, dude. I mean I don't know what we're getting, you know what I mean? Like we're getting pel yeah, hilote. We're getting hilote and buffalo meat. For the in yeah, real good.

Nole (40:05.656)
That sounds good. Dude, this has been good. I've got it, before I forget, I gotta shout out program guy Ryan. He was just at our last class, and he came up to my house this week. No, Estrada. The other Ryan. So he came up and we did a workout together. And this dude's he's a savage, rad dude. I

Kevin (40:18.071)
Check.

cool. Yeah.

Nole (40:32.556)
I did take him out in the woods and we did mess around with a caber that still lays in the forest from back in the day. So we messed around with that. And then this guy's a this guy's a trooper, dude. Right now there's these biting flies on the mountain. They're called deer flies. They're horrendous. And this time of year, there's always a lot of them. And right now there's more than usual. So it's it's hellish to be outside. They bite you. Yeah, they're biting flies. It's like a mosquito, except if you imagine a mosquito that was a fly, like a large black.

Kevin (40:35.823)
Kevin (40:54.479)
These flies bite? That's terrible.

Nole (41:02.354)
slow moving fly. They're terrible. Hurts when they bite you. Anyway, there's a bunch of them outside. But of course, we're not going to work out inside because we're men and there's kettlebells in the forest. So we worked out outside and he braved the the 30 minutes of biting flies while you're trying to swing kettlebells. It's it's kind of an it's an adventure. We could call it an adventure. But we had a good time. We hung out and went and had coffee and a sandwich after that. It was cool. So shout out to Ryan. I actually don't think he listens to the podcast, which of course is no

Kevin (41:06.212)
Damn.

No, you gotta go on.

Nole (41:31.742)
You know, that's not like a call out. There's plenty of people that don't listen to the podcast and we still love them, but had to mention that.

Kevin (41:38.798)
That's fun. That's super fun. I I I've long said this is like my favorite thing of the podcast and the programs. We get to meet people that we probably wouldn't meet in normal life. And there's kindred spirits out there and that usually we get to hang out and it's really cool. It's I've had similar exce like with Trevor Graves or whatever, just you know, and it's very cool to just meet people that we probably wouldn't run into and then become great friends. It's awesome. It's my favorite thing about

Nole (41:48.173)
Never.

Nole (41:57.112)
Yeah, yeah.

Nole (42:04.162)
Yeah. And I'll put it out there. I've put it out there before. But the way that type of thing happens is you you gotta reach out and and hit us up. I have a captain who's very cool. You can come work out with me at the firehouse if Altadena is closer to wherever you are. Or you can come up to my house. I gotta okay it with the with the boss of the house, with my sweet wife, of course, and get the schedule to work out. But yeah, you can come up, we'll swing kettlebells and

Kevin (42:12.471)
Yeah.

Nole (42:31.842)
Get bit by deer flies. It's it's a great time. Like who wouldn't want to do that? But you have to hit me up. I'm not gonna come find you.

Kevin (42:36.567)
Yeah. And what we won't say is we'll see. We'll say yes or no. It's a it's an interesting thing when you hear I mean, you know, I've I've listened to Tim Ferris, I always have a h huge respect for him. For our work week, for our body guy, he's probably had a top ten podcast for a decade. But he's a busy man, he does a lot of angel investing, and his default is no. Now

Nole (42:41.89)
No, we'll say yes or no, right?

Nole (43:04.067)
Yeah.

Kevin (43:05.451)
I don't think he's married and I d know he does not have any kids. So I think it's a different realm. Because when you're a super successful guy and you get invited and you're very famous and you get invited to everything all over the world, it's pretty easy to say no. I think it's much harder to say no to Indy who's gonna want to say, Can we wrestle? That's a much hard that's a much harder no. Your default answer should be yes.

Nole (43:11.531)
Mm-hmm, for sure.

Nole (43:33.346)
Hmm. Yeah, I agree.

Kevin (43:34.274)
In my opinion, it should be yes, but we have to put like a time frame on it, all right? Or a cap or something. And then and maybe, maybe I think we can do a better job of we've talked about this at length, but I liked what Rick Cook said on our podcast. He had his to do list of things in his head that he has to get done, whether it's a workout, he wanted to get a massage in or a sauna or something that he needed to recover.

Nole (43:39.864)
For sure.

Kevin (44:02.915)
Whatever his list was, he would write it down. He'd try to communicate to his wife on the way home. And then as soon as he walked in the door, he just put that in his pocket. And so then he'd hey, he'd visit with the wife, they'd see what is going on, he was completely and totally present. And he's not like after a couple hours, at most, at most, they're all gone doing their own thing.

Nole (44:13.411)
Mm.

Nole (44:27.864)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Kevin (44:28.515)
They're all the and that's it it happens to me too, right? There's like a yeah dad and then mom they everybody hits you all at once. And then there's a lull. And it's in that lull where he takes a little piece of paper out and looks at his thing and goes, Now I can attack. Where he struggled, he said, is when he just came home right in the door and he started working on the list right off the bat. Everybody's pissed. Cause he can't get his things done. Wife doesn't need they get the attention, kids aren't getting the attention. And so I I always like that. is that

Nole (44:31.17)
Yeah, yeah.

Nole (44:41.644)
Mm-hmm.

Nole (44:47.362)
Yep, yep. Yeah.

Kevin (44:57.775)
There's something powerful to actually physically writing down something on paper and then reviewing it like later when the when the dust settles.

Nole (45:05.442)
Yeah. Yeah. I like that. That's a good reminder. Little challenge for you guys moving forward. I've been trying since listening to this other podcast and kind of thinking about this, I've been trying to eliminate maybes and will sees from my vocabulary, specifically with my family. So little challenge for you. Maybe you do the same if that's something that you deal with. Try to work on it for the next week. Every time you say maybe or will see, catch yourself. Think about is this an appropriate time for a yes or a no? And execute.

Kevin (45:18.263)
Mm-hmm.

Kevin (45:34.337)
Awesome. Full disclosure, you gave a little challenge about that, about the grunting when getting up or sitting down. I was good for about four days, and then I find myself catching myself grunting when I sit down or get up.

Nole (45:34.606)
See how that goes.

Nole (45:40.489)
man.

Nole (45:48.418)
Yeah. And my wife calls me out on it now. Cause I talked about it. Yeah, I th I've got so many guys upset with me, but then I didn't even generate that idea. That was Echo Charles on Jocko's podcast. I just reported it. Everyone's upset with me. I'm upset with myself for bringing that up because if my wife doesn't say something about it, I catch myself doing it. I haven't stopped. I haven't gotten any better. I still go, when I get off the couch. Thanks, Echo Charles.

Kevin (45:51.011)
Kevin (46:00.079)
We just reported.

Kevin (46:13.347)
huh.

Kevin (46:16.943)
great. All right, couple of things to work on. Progress, not perfection. We're working on grunting when you get up, not letting the old man in, and maybe s and saying seeing maybe. I just said it right there, not definitively, saying we'll see.

Nole (46:18.53)
Take those giant take those giant biceps and keep doing what you're doing.

Nole (46:33.046)
Yes, let your yes be your yes and your no be your no.

Kevin (46:36.473)
That is funny though, because if your captain came up and said, Hey, can you clean those saws today? And you said, We'll see.

Nole (46:44.056)
We'll see. Maybe. That ain't gonna work. It doesn't.

Kevin (46:47.725)
Right. So why would it work at home?

Kevin (46:54.553)
This has been the Fire You Carry podcast.

Nole (47:07.414)
I need to adjust the audio level on this intro outro here inside Riverside. It's too loud. It gets too loud too fast, so it doesn't give you enough time to say the thing. Say it again right now.

Kevin (47:20.077)
This has been the Fire You Carry podcast.

Nole (47:22.734)
Awesome. Well

Kevin (47:26.041)
See you tomorrow, sleeping giant.

Nole (47:28.829)
dude, tomorrow. Sleeping giant.

Kevin (47:31.107)
I push you in the pit.

Nole (47:33.292)
Well, you're gonna have to w we'll talk about it. Thanks for listening, guys. We'll see you next week.

Kevin (47:35.779)
Ha ha ha ha